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title: "Checking a Let's Encrypt cert as a normal user: `/etc/letsencrypt/live` is root-only, so `test -e` is always false — ask the server instead"
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# Checking a Let's Encrypt cert as a normal user: `/etc/letsencrypt/live` is root-only, so `test -e` is always false — ask the server instead

> certbot's live/ and archive/ directories are mode 0700 root. Any non-root check like `test -e /etc/letsencrypt/live/$domain/fullchain.pem` fails for every domain, valid or not. Fetch the certificate the server actually serves.

## Symptom
A health or onboarding check reports "TLS certificate missing" for every site, including ones with a valid certificate.

## What happens (reproduced)
```
$ stat -c '%a %U %n' /etc/letsencrypt/live /etc/letsencrypt/archive
700 root /etc/letsencrypt/live
700 root /etc/letsencrypt/archive
$ test -e /etc/letsencrypt/live/example.com/fullchain.pem; echo $?
1
```

## Fix
Check the certificate the web server presents. This also proves it is installed and served, not just present on disk:
```bash
pem=$(echo | openssl s_client -connect 127.0.0.1:443 -servername "$domain" 2>/dev/null | openssl x509) || exit 1
openssl x509 -noout -checkhost "$domain" <<<"$pem" | grep -q "does match certificate" \
  && openssl x509 -noout -checkend 0 <<<"$pem" >/dev/null
```
Two traps in that one-liner have records of their own: `-servername` is required when connecting by IP, and `-checkhost` must be checked by its text, in its own call.